Physical resistance Question - Guild Wars Forums

ajc2123 · Mar 14, 2010, 04:41 PM // 16:41

Ok, so outside of farming this skill never really sees much use from the mesmer bars I have seen. But I was just looking at it a bit further.

Let's say you are running 12 insp and 12+1+1 attribute of your choice. (then like 3 fast casting if you wanna be technical)

The damage from elements is only increased by a 14 armor decrease, while physical damage is Halved!

Equip yourself with a +7 vs elements staff or something, this would only be -7 armor vs elements.

Wouldn't it then be worth it to bring this skill to ease up some healing from your monks/necros/rits? Or is the -7 armor still too much. :/

I mean, if you wanted to bring a defensive skill, it lasts a very long time, and most mesmers don't bring a stance. 10 energy every 78 seconds sounds pretty good to me.

normally I bring a shield and wand anyways so I would be having +8 armor.

upier · Mar 14, 2010, 04:55 PM // 16:55

ajc2123 · Mar 14, 2010, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by upier

SY!?
ER Protter?
Spirit Spam?

Take your pick.

yes yes yes we all know of the extremely popular damage reduction builds.

But for a minute lets all pretend we are just putting together a guild pug for some missions and you're guilds monks are still learning.

Reformed · Mar 14, 2010, 05:03 PM // 17:03

Dark Escape has more bang for your buck. -7AR if I read the table correctly would give you a ~13% damage increase as a caster. Doesn't seem like much but in HM where eles already hit very hard that will add up.

ajc2123 · Mar 14, 2010, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by Reformed

Dark Escape has more bang for your buck. -7AR if I read the table correctly would give you a ~13% damage increase as a caster. Doesn't seem like much but in HM where eles already hit very hard that will add up.

true....

Well looking at a different thing. If you happen to be E/Me or Me/e (most likely the latter). What about Stone striker + elemental resistance. No - armor penalty for constant halved damage, and if you so choose, + earth AL shield. Giving you +40+8+10(58) armor vs anything cept armor ignoring damage?

*edit* screw that. If you are using earth magic you might as well use armor of earth instead of 2 skills.

Well I spose these skills are still only good for farming :/

Reformed · Mar 14, 2010, 05:13 PM // 17:13

If you go that route ajc2123 then run Stone Striker + Mantra of Earth terra style and skip the shield. 14 spec is a 48% damage reduction that doubles as energy management, it's a win-win.

ajc2123 · Mar 14, 2010, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by Reformed

If you go that route ajc2123 then run Stone Striker + Mantra of Earth terra style and skip the shield. 14 spec is a 48% damage reduction that doubles as energy management, it's a win-win.

Yeah I figured that after i typed this. I can't think and farm at the same time lol (tryin to get some ranger tomes/event items)

Spose it was just some fleeting hope I had.

Xenex Xclame · Mar 14, 2010, 05:18 PM // 17:18

The problem i personally see with it, is that your almost never gonna be running 12 insipiration.

I use lyssa's aura to power my illusion spamming and i only put enough points into it to get +3 regen , which is at 8 inspiration.

I see the point you are trying to make and agree with it,most me/x x/me dont take a stance anyways so why not take this one to help your defense,the problem with this skill I think is,it has a downside, and if you just glimpse over it (which is what most people do), the downside can seem pretty heavy.Which after really looking at it, you would realize its not anywhere near that bad of a downside.

Back in the day before the gave the AI a better brain, I used to use elemental resistance on my "tank" , I just get a +physical upgrade on my sword/axe and get a rune for more armor and there basically was no downside at all.

In most cases I would prefer mantra of earth/flame/frost/etc though, The damage reduction is not near resistance's reduction, but the energy gain is much more useful.

maybe they should change the resistances.

for 60 seconds you gain + 3...40...53 armor against physical damage. Each time you take elemental damage the foe dealing that damage gains 3...1 energy.

The downside isn't directly drastic or bad for you.

ajc2123 · Mar 14, 2010, 05:22 PM // 17:22

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Originally Posted by Xenex Xclame

The problem i personally see with it, is that your almost never gonna be running 12 insipiration.

I use lyssa's aura to power my illusion spamming and i only put enough points into it to get +3 regen , which is at 8 inspiration.

I see the point you are trying to make and agree with it,most me/x x/me dont take a stance anyways so why not take this one to help your defense,the problem with this skill I think is,it has a downside, and if you just glimpse over it (which is what most people do), the downside can seem pretty heavy.Which after really looking at it, you would realize its not anywhere near that bad of a downside.

Back in the day before the gave the AI a better brain, I used to use elemental resistance on my "tank" , I just get a +physical upgrade on my sword/axe and get a rune for more armor and there basically was no downside at all.

In most cases I would prefer mantra of earth/flame/frost/etc though, The damage reduction is not near resistance's reduction, but the energy gain is much more useful.

maybe they should change the resistances.

for 60 seconds you gain + 3...40...53 armor against physical damage. Each time you take elemental damage the foe dealing that damage gains 3...1 energy.

The downside isn't directly drastic or bad for you.

Yeah, the problem with my suggestion is that it was BELOW other subpar builds. I don't mind running anything that's not the best, but when it becomes below good, it tends to not see action on my bar.

Why use physical resistance when eles in HM can already 1 shot people, why use elemental + stone striker when you can use ONE enchantment to get the same armor, or mantra + stone striker for energy management.

I see the error in my ways lol.

Xenex Xclame · Mar 14, 2010, 06:10 PM // 18:10

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Originally Posted by ajc2123

I see the error in my ways lol.

I don't think you are wrong.It's just that imo the players in general don't like, things they have to figure out.They rather have you gain X power, instead of you gain X power when you do Z and you gain A when you do B.

As example of how I also choose the less better option of the choices, I still refuse to play with the PVE only skills in most cases, the only ones i use are the sunspear/factions ones.

I hate the idea of these skills.

upier · Mar 14, 2010, 06:12 PM // 18:12

ajc2123 · Mar 14, 2010, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by upier

The problem is that those options are far superior.
So if you want to help those guys out, bring one of those options instead of forcing everyone to take PR.

I never said make the whole party take it. Just the one mesmer (me). Making EVERYONE take it would just be silly and limiting.

Tenebrae · Mar 14, 2010, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by upier

The problem is that those options are far superior.
So if you want to help those guys out, bring one of those options instead of forcing everyone to take PR.

The prolem is that those options are not in your bar/inv and we are talking here about a build for oneself an its skills , playing with H/H or not. Also , faith will bring you treason , i never trust 100% someone or a hero and depending of what you are going to play as a mesmer and WHERE , those stances are a really , really addition.

Mantras are really good sometimes and Elemental Resistance helps a lot for melee chars (that already have some kind of +X vs phys armor and or weapon) to stand initial damage while pulling or balling mobs. Just pack candies for IAS+IMS and that stance becomes a great addition.

Dzjudz · Mar 14, 2010, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Anomaly: Like cracked armor, this skill will not reduce your armor rating below 60. If you're not running armor boosting insignia or using a defensive set, this skill has no drawbacks at all. This also means you don't need high inspiration. At 8 insp it already lasts more than a minute, and it gives +40 armor at any rank. Thanks for bringing this skill to my attention, it's gonna be on my mesmer from now on

(at least, until anet fixes it).

Chthon · Mar 14, 2010, 07:50 PM // 19:50

1. Mesmers should not be taking hits.

2. If you want to mitigate damage as a mesmer, use a mandragor build so that the damage is mitigated for everyone, not just you.

End · Mar 14, 2010, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by Reformed

If you go that route ajc2123 then run Stone Striker + Mantra of Earth terra style and skip the shield. 14 spec is a 48% damage reduction that doubles as energy management, it's a win-win.

or throw on a shield with "like a rolling stone" (or at least I think that is it's name) for an extra +10 v. earth to help out with those noob monks...(on a side note...one of the best things that helped me learn to monk was to do stuff that's hard

don't make it to easy on them or they will think they are good...and when you stop protecting yourself they will end up still thinking they are good and blaming the people they are monking for)

ajc2123 · Mar 15, 2010, 03:42 AM // 03:42

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Anomaly: Like cracked armor, this skill will not reduce your armor rating below 60. If you're not running armor boosting insignia or using a defensive set, this skill has no drawbacks at all. This also means you don't need high inspiration. At 8 insp it already lasts more than a minute, and it gives +40 armor at any rank. Thanks for bringing this skill to my attention, it's gonna be on my mesmer from now on

(at least, until anet fixes it).

WHOA! how did I miss that! Now I DO want to take it everywhere I go XD...That or elemental resistance depending on the area.

I WOULD bring it in PvP....but a smart warrior/any martial class, will just switch weapons to an elemental weapon if he sees me use it, rendering my defense useless.

fenix · Mar 15, 2010, 04:22 AM // 04:22

Questions go in the Q&A section, as suggested by the name, Questions and Answers.

Steps_Descending · Mar 15, 2010, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Anomaly: Like cracked armor, this skill will not reduce your armor rating below 60. If you're not running armor boosting insignia or using a defensive set, this skill has no drawbacks at all. This also means you don't need high inspiration. At 8 insp it already lasts more than a minute, and it gives +40 armor at any rank. Thanks for bringing this skill to my attention, it's gonna be on my mesmer from now on

(at least, until anet fixes it).

I know the wiki has been wrong a couple of time before ( teh official too I think), can anyone confirm this?

Ariena Najea · Mar 15, 2010, 05:28 PM // 17:28

Scrimmage testing time =)

Anomaly is correct! Testing done with 12 Fire Magic, 9 Inspiration Magic, and no equipment-armor modifiers.

Mar 14, 2010, 04:41 PM // 16:41	#1
ajc2123 Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: North of the wall Profession: Me/	Physical resistance Question Ok, so outside of farming this skill never really sees much use from the mesmer bars I have seen. But I was just looking at it a bit further. Let's say you are running 12 insp and 12+1+1 attribute of your choice. (then like 3 fast casting if you wanna be technical) The damage from elements is only increased by a 14 armor decrease, while physical damage is Halved! Equip yourself with a +7 vs elements staff or something, this would only be -7 armor vs elements. Wouldn't it then be worth it to bring this skill to ease up some healing from your monks/necros/rits? Or is the -7 armor still too much. :/ I mean, if you wanted to bring a defensive skill, it lasts a very long time, and most mesmers don't bring a stance. 10 energy every 78 seconds sounds pretty good to me. normally I bring a shield and wand anyways so I would be having +8 armor. Last edited by ajc2123; Mar 14, 2010 at 04:48 PM // 16:48..

Mar 14, 2010, 04:55 PM // 16:55	#2
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Mar 14, 2010, 06:12 PM // 18:12	#11
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Mar 14, 2010, 07:27 PM // 19:27	#14
Dzjudz Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz	Anomaly: Like cracked armor, this skill will not reduce your armor rating below 60. If you're not running armor boosting insignia or using a defensive set, this skill has no drawbacks at all. This also means you don't need high inspiration. At 8 insp it already lasts more than a minute, and it gives +40 armor at any rank. Thanks for bringing this skill to my attention, it's gonna be on my mesmer from now on (at least, until anet fixes it). Last edited by Dzjudz; Mar 14, 2010 at 07:32 PM // 19:32..

Mar 15, 2010, 04:22 AM // 04:22	#18
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Mar 14, 2010, 05:03 PM // 17:03	#4
Reformed Jungle Guide Join Date: Aug 2009	Dark Escape has more bang for your buck. -7AR if I read the table correctly would give you a ~13% damage increase as a caster. Doesn't seem like much but in HM where eles already hit very hard that will add up.

Mar 14, 2010, 05:13 PM // 17:13	#6
Reformed Jungle Guide Join Date: Aug 2009	If you go that route ajc2123 then run Stone Striker + Mantra of Earth terra style and skip the shield. 14 spec is a 48% damage reduction that doubles as energy management, it's a win-win.

Mar 14, 2010, 05:18 PM // 17:18	#8
Xenex Xclame Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: DPX Profession: R/	The problem i personally see with it, is that your almost never gonna be running 12 insipiration. I use lyssa's aura to power my illusion spamming and i only put enough points into it to get +3 regen , which is at 8 inspiration. I see the point you are trying to make and agree with it,most me/x x/me dont take a stance anyways so why not take this one to help your defense,the problem with this skill I think is,it has a downside, and if you just glimpse over it (which is what most people do), the downside can seem pretty heavy.Which after really looking at it, you would realize its not anywhere near that bad of a downside. Back in the day before the gave the AI a better brain, I used to use elemental resistance on my "tank" , I just get a +physical upgrade on my sword/axe and get a rune for more armor and there basically was no downside at all. In most cases I would prefer mantra of earth/flame/frost/etc though, The damage reduction is not near resistance's reduction, but the energy gain is much more useful. maybe they should change the resistances. for 60 seconds you gain + 3...40...53 armor against physical damage. Each time you take elemental damage the foe dealing that damage gains 3...1 energy. The downside isn't directly drastic or bad for you.

Mar 14, 2010, 07:50 PM // 19:50	#15
Chthon Grotto Attendant Join Date: Apr 2007	1. Mesmers should not be taking hits. 2. If you want to mitigate damage as a mesmer, use a mandragor build so that the damage is mitigated for everyone, not just you.

Mar 15, 2010, 05:28 PM // 17:28	#20
Ariena Najea Silence and Motion Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buffalo NY Guild: New Horizon [NH]	Scrimmage testing time =) Anomaly is correct! Testing done with 12 Fire Magic, 9 Inspiration Magic, and no equipment-armor modifiers. __________________ Currently active in GW1 as of February 2015!